I’ve just read some marvelous posts which I’ll link to in a moment. I’ve been anxiously awaiting since PantheaCon ended on how the “Wiccanate Privilege” discussion(s) were going from the Polytheists who have attended. So, let’s begin in some sort of chronological order…or at least I think it is. It might not be, but these are the numerics as I read them when they posted to my e-mail, and before reading my blog I highly recommend you going to these links and reading what these brilliant people have to say first.

1. T. Thorn Coyle started it off by discussing her opening prayer that she presented at a “Pagans and Privilege” discussion panel the aftermath of it. Personally, I love Thorn and I enjoy her posts which I see on Facebook. I also admire her listening skills. You can find her report here.

2. Anomolous Thracian was the next one to come through. He also attended PantheaCon, and was honored to be a part of Ekklesia Antinou’s Sancti ritual for two recently deceased members of the Community. You can find that report here.

3. Next came PSLV’s blog report in which e** participated in the “Wiccanate and Privlege” panel discussion. The report, which is both informative and sad, is here.

4. John Halstead’s PantheaCon report is here, and mentions my legal name (Luis A. Valadez) as well as links to two previous blog posts of mine. Thank you John for the nod.

5. In response to some of John’s personal views on hyphens in Polytheism, Galina Krasskova has her blog post located here.

Needless to say, it’s been quite the busy week post-PantheaCon 2014, and the discussions and opinions which have formed within the Polytheist Community will no doubt reverberate for a long time to come. I hope you honestly took the time to read those blogs before reading my own, otherwise it’ll be like jumping in the middle of a sentence or coming late to a discussion and not contributing anything worthwhile with your opinions (what I will now lovingly refer to as “Starhawking,” and if you’ve read the blogs, you’ll know why). Everything is taken out of context with shouts of “But there’s more important things in the world! Waaaaaahhh!!” Moving on…

Pagan Pride Day – First, Apologies
So for the past several posts I have covered what’s been going on between my Temple and the committee in charge of an approaching Pagan Pride Day event slated for this Fall south of where I live. Not only has the discussion taken place with my blog, but also in the comments section as well. It has also taken place off this blog within Facebook messages. Before I update everyone on what has taken place, I’d like to take this time out to say something:

I would like to apologize to the Local Coordinator of the approaching Pagan Pride Event. Her name is Kasha. I identify her because she identified herself on my blog comments which you can find here. So, just to be clear, she is the one who identified with her name and job description, not I. We spoke off of the blog posts and in Facebook where she stated that she was disappointed to see quotes from the closed Pagan Pride Day forum on Facebook from people. She thought it was neither kind nor respectful of me to do such a thing. The quotes have no names attached to them. However, for the sake of peace I willingly extend an apology to those people who did not expect their quotes extracted. I apologize to them for posting without their permission.

Pagan Pride Day – Second, Confrontation
But, while I have apologized (and I do mean it sincerely), there is another problem. The problem stems from Kasha’s husband/significant other Ray who posted on the PPD Facebook forum, my comments, and also seemed to stalk the blog-o-sphere wherever my name was mentioned to throw a tirade and twist the truth of the matter. Sigh. Well, here’s where the problem lies:

First, Ray’s own comments on my blog are quite a bit, but one stands out to me the most:

No one is singling you out, You were confrontational on the PPD discussion and brought a private discussion into the public. I get that you are unable to perceive a generic ritual, just because you don’t get it does not mean that is is not possible. While I don’t know you personally I have an idea of who and what you are. You are very bright boy, who has a keen memory, you are somewhat charismatic, and manipulative which are all assets for a cult leader but you also feign victimization and try use an alleged brain injury to your advantage. You have a tantrum when you don’t get your way, and then rather than trying to resolve issues you blog about how terrible other people are. Grow up dude.

I like this comment, I really do, and here’s why. It reveals everything I need to know about this guy and the people in charge, whom I liked. Kasha, the LC and spouse, has said nothing about what Ray has done. Nothing at all. It’s especially important considering Ray is an Administrator on the Facebook forum and openly insulted me by telling me I was here to get my ego stroked, and that to have pride was to have hubris.

For those of you who do not know, I am disabled. I have a traumatic right brain injury and all the nasty side effects that go with it: memory loss, memory retention issues, unbalanced coordination, seizures, insomnia, flooding, and the like. I sustained this injury in August 2012 when I was in a car accident, and I have talked about my subsequent struggles with depression and suicide from this incident in the links which can be found below:

Faith in Times of Crisis.”

“Coping with Depression: Learning to Dance with the Sacred Twins.”

But according to Ray, my brain injury is “alleged.” In other words, I’m lying. Great way to get some more support there, Ray – attack the disabled. *clap* *clap* *clap* He also calls me manipulative and a cult leader, and claims I have a “keen memory.” That one hit low, because I used to have a photographic memory until my brain injury occurred. Now, I have trouble remembering a lot which is why I write incessantly as often as I am able. I have calendars and “To Do” lists on my walls and fridge so I can be reminded to do the littlest thing. Even bathing is something I forget to do! Ew. Needless to say also, that Ray’s comments pissed off my husband, my girlfriend, my immediate family, my friends, as well as my own Temple members.

Pagan Pride Day – Third, Damage Control
If everyone reads the comments and blogs, you’ll note that even when I am talking with Ray, none of my questions or issues are being addressed. So what happened in the land of Facebook? Well, Kasha did the only thing she could do: damage control. She subsequently kicked not only me out of the Facebook forum, but also each of my Temple members in turn. Here’s the problem: only two actually posted their issues on the entire comments section, and everyone was very cordial and professional. The other 3 Temple members said nothing and because of their own lives only were able to read everything going on last minute before they realized they were blocked! Why would my entire group be punished for something I am personally talking about on my blog? Why would they be kicked out?

What’s worse is that the resolution to this entire matter was that I was told to come meet with the Local Coordinator and other people who had “impressions” of me from their interactions online. Um, seriously? These people don’t even know me, and I’m supposed to sit down like a scolded schoolboy in the principal’s office to listen to other people and their “impressions” like I am in an intervention? What kind of good management is this? This is anything but healthy conflict resolution, instead making the entire matter worse. I haven’t even been apologized to by Ray or Kasha regarding Ray’s attacks and accusations upon me. It’s sad. But, why I am bringing any of this up in the first place?

Pagan Pride Day – Fourth, Resolution
It seems that at PantheaCon everyone was defensive. I mean Pagans. PSLV talks about eir experiences on the panel when people assumed and spoke about eir temple’s beliefs and practices. One even went so far as to shout that the PantheaCon panel wasn’t interfaith, it was in-TRA-faith!

No folks, it’s all INTERFAITH. It always has been. Any Pagan event that is held which welcomes people from different Temples, cults, devotees and Traditions is bound to be interfaith, because we all come from different spiritual and ethnic backgrounds. We all have different philosophies and cultures, not to mention different Gods and spirits that we work with. We also all use different paradigms: Traditional Wicca, Neo-Wicca, Feri, Heathen, Celtic Recon, ADF, Hellenic Polytheist, Strix Craft, Druidry, etc. And in turn many independent devotees, solitary practitioners and groups may amalgamate ideas from different religious belief systems such as Hindi sects, Buddhism, or even Christianity. We are all so very different from each other it’s not even funny. In the Greater Pagan Community has been the joke, “Ask a Pagan 3 different questions and you’ll get 6 different answers,” or something to that effect.

So, in a way, we’ve always acknowledged each other’s differences. We’ve always respected that no one person can speak for all Pagans. Our Community has shunned anything remotely defining or dogmatically implying that there should be a definition of “Pagan.” Yet, with all of this anarchic-type of behavior which has defined our movement since its inception, we have an issue getting along with Polytheists who are devout to their Gods and spirits and whose ritual facets drastically differ from the American Neo-Wiccan “norm.”

Let’s be honest here: it isn’t Wicca’s fault that so many have copied the ritual frameworks of Traditional Wicca because it was Trad Wicca which came out first and has a heavy history behind it. Pick up a book on Paganism and it will be Wicca inspired. That’s awesome, despite the continued protests of many within the Traditional Wiccan community that American Neo-Wiccans co-opt their systems. But I’ll post that in another blog. For this one, we should be clear that Wicca is the “Pagan Norm.” And my Temple and Tradition is not Wiccan.

We are Hellenic Polytheist. Our Gods are independent Beings with Their own desires, tastes, loves, and stories. I don’t need to defend Them. I don’t need to fight for Them. I don’t need to justify Their behaviors within the Myths. I worship and serve. I pray and offer. I uphold my covenant with Them. I cannot emphasize this enough:

My ways are different than your ways!
My beliefs are different than your beliefs!
My culture is different than your culture!

Pagan Pride Day – The End
Because of the kerfuffle created, as of now my Temple will no longer participate in the approaching Pagan Pride Day event, which in and of itself is sad. We had a chance to network and share our spaces and to respect our differences, yet the end result is one of defensiveness and pointing the finger that I am the one in the wrong while I am trying to defend my tradition. Not the Gods, but my Tradition: the ways in which I have been revealed by the Gods on how to connect with Them through the lifeline that is the format of our Temple’s devotional cultus.

So to move forward, I am banding together with my fellow Polytheists and am planning on attending the Polytheist Leadership Conference. I’m going to find out the cost from where I live to its location in New York. Once I come up with the cost, I will be creating a specific blog post with a link to ask for donations. Honestly, I can’t make it there on my own folks. And if you’d like to send me there, I’d be really grateful. If you believe I have something worthwhile to give to this growing Community, I’d love to meet you there.

My girlfriend will probably be accompanying me, and I’ll work on trying to cover those costs as well. Honestly, because of my disability I need someone familiar with me the whole plane ride there and back again. Plus, she’s a member of my Temple and an intelligent young woman that I know can contribute as well. So I’ll be registering shortly here. Let’s see what Work we can do for our Gods and for our Community. Let’s see what new strides we can do together. We probably won’t agree on a whole lot (or maybe I’m wrong and we will), but if anything we’ve learned, it’s healthy conflict resolution and how to have discussions like able adults.

To this, to you, I raise high my glass in honor of my Beloved Dionysus, and bless you all. I look forward to seeing you at the Polytheist Leadership Conference.

Eirene kai Hugieia!
(Peace and Health!)

**PSLV is metagender, and so certain pronouns will fit better than traditional binary gender ones. I pray I was able to reflect PSLV’s identity and preferences in this blog. Any mistakes I ask for eir forgiveness.


I’m already in a bad mood as is…


So this post/rant is designed to not only defend my own integrity, but to look aghast at the people who claim that religious privilege does not exist, yet they exercise it nonetheless.

Don Frew, a Gardnerian High Priest and interfaith worker, published a piece which I mentioned in another blog. I gave my thoughts on the matter and also over the course of several posts, recorded mine and my Temple’s experiences with an approaching Pagan Pride Day event that’s planned for this fall a little bit south of where I live.  (You can actually follow my posts in chronological order here, here, here). Sannion brought to my attention the fact that my experiences were being totally dismissed. I was surprised, and today I went to go to the Comments section of Don’s blog to read for myself the comments made about me and my blog.

Don wrote:

I would really like to be given a concrete, verifiable example of someone “being told to water down their religion.” In over 28 years of interfaith work I have NEVER heard of such a thing! I would also like an example of someone being told to “stop being confusing.” If any interfaith representative has ever said these things, they were WRONG! The whole point of interfaith work is to welcome and accept people as they are, with all their differences of faith and practice.
Blessed Be,

Aine responded with:

Oracle (caveoforacle.wordpress.com) just wrote about being told to change his group’s ritual for a Pagan Pride event.

But maybe that isn’t good enough? I’d like to know what a ‘concrete, verifiable example’ would look like. Should we have emails, screenshots? What if it’s being told to our faces that we need to water down our religion or change our rituals cause they’re too confusing?

First, I’d like to thank Aine, because honestly she is holding her own here. Don wants verifiable evidence, because he is not willing to take people at their word. That’s interesting, considering that for many decades Wiccans were persecuted by the general public and had no verifiable way to record most of it. They simply took each other at their word, and rallied to defend their own. For some reason, however, the measure is being placed squarely so it can be analyzed and scanned by someone who is in a privileged position to demand that evidence.

Now, in order to retort, I would like to break down Don’s responses and respond to each in kind. It’s the only way that it will be more aesthetically pleasing to the eye, help me make sense of what’s written to you (without you needing to scroll up and down constantly), and give full context. If you’d like Don’s entire streamline comment without the breaks, feel free to go to his blog and scroll down through the comments section until you get to it. *cracks knuckles* So, here we go:


If you are looking for an example, this isn’t a very good one. The link you gave goes to an article at Cave of the Oracle. That article talks about issues with the Covenant of the Goddess and the Pagan Pride Project and provides a link to “COG’s website”. The problem is that the link does NOT go to COG’s website; it goes to the Pagan Pride website. The Oracle then goes on to address problem’s with this website, including the statement “Beneath that is COG’s PPD Project definition of Paganism:”. Again, this is NOT COG’s definition of Paganism; it is Pagan Pride’s definition of Paganism. In fact, a search for “COG” on the Pagan Pride website in question leads to a single link to a DFW Pagan Pride day that has none of the informaton the Oracle attributes to COG. (A search for “Covenant of the Goddess” on this site produces no result at all.) I think it’s fair to consider the information on this site to be unverified when so much of the information being presented is not, in fact, verifiable.

MY RESPONSE: When you click on the link on my article, “Interfaith and Polytheism,” it sends you to the website of the Pagan Pride Project. So you are correct sir, it doesn’t go to CoG’s website. It goes to the Pagan Pride Project’s website. I made the mistake of combining the two entities, because the person or persons in charge of the event are affiliated with CoG. A presumption on my part, but an easy error to fix. If you wanted clarification, Don, all you had to do was simply ask. Or point out that I made an error. Sometimes that happens. Silly people making mistakes. However, it’s no secret that CoG’s local councils are often the ones that sponsor local PPD’s. This information comes from a Patheos article from August 20, 2o12 titled, “Why the Covenant of the Goddess is vital to Wicca’s future.” It’s true, too, that Pagan Pride Project has a much broader definition of Paganism than does Covenant of the Goddess.

From CoG: Pagan a practitioner of an Earth Religion; from the Latin paganus, a country dweller.

From PPD: A Pagan or NeoPagan is someone who self-identifies as a Pagan, and whose spiritual or religious practice or belief fits into one or more of the following categories:

  • Honoring, revering, or worshipping a Deity or Deities found in pre-Christian, classical, aboriginal, or tribal mythology; and/or
  • Practicing religion or spirituality based upon shamanism, shamanic, or magickal practices; and/or
  • Creating new religion based on past Pagan religions and/or futuristic views of society, community, and/or ecology;
  • Focusing religious or spiritual attention primarily on the Divine Feminine; and/or
  • Practicing religion that focuses on earth based spirituality.

So, when anyone (including a CoG sponsor) wants to host a Pagan Pride Day event, it logically follows that they need to go by the rules of the Pagan Pride Project, and not those by CoG, correct? Because, after all, it’s not a CoG event; it’s a Pagan Pride Project event, which means the definition of “Pagan” allows for much more flexibility since not every polytheist faith is an earth-based religion. But despite the mistakes in the links, Mr. Frew asserts, “I think it’s fair to consider the information on this site to be unverified when so much of the information being presented is not, in fact, verifiable.” Hmmm….let’s continue.


The Oracle, on the link you provided Aine, did not say anything about being told to “water down” their tradition. He said that when the group discussed performing a joint ritual for the public, they wanted it be simple and generic, i.e. approachable for the general public. It was in this narrow context that a comment about a polytheist ritual being “too confusing” came up. As I read it, he was not told that he had to change his ritual, but that in a combined ritual with other Pagans, his group’s ritual form was not the comrpomise they sought. Whether or not I agree with this, it is about presenting a simple unified face to the public when several different Pagans are trying to do ritual together, NOT about changing who you are when talking to other interfaith representatives.

MY RESPONSE: 9th paragraph down from my blog Interfaith and Polytheism: “I want my Temple to participate in a local Pagan Pride Day that’s approaching. But, we are being told that a “generic Pagan” ritual is the way to go. Why? Because non-Pagans think we’re all the same. A polytheist ritual would be “too confusing.” And someone suggested that we should be inclusive, so they suggested the ritual format of another organization called ADF. So: be inclusive, be generic, but a suggestion was made to use the ritual format by an existing organization. How does that make sense?”

We never discussed a joint ritual for the public. Ever. If you want to know the actual conversation that took place, you’d need to be invited onto the Facebook forum and get the screenshots. Because, seriously, it’s even ridiculous that someone whom I have never met (and vice versa), is drawing a lot of conclusions which are just way off. SO I don’t have neither the time nor the patience to give screenshot after screenshot. But let me clarify some points, for professionalism’s sake: According to the coordinator, this was their words on the subject:

“Due to the time of year, the national org recommends an eclectic harvest theme.”

I asked if I could toss out some ideas. I was encouraged to, but with this caveat:

“The recommendation is that we make sure it’s not an overtly wiccan or heathen or druid , etc ritual, to be inclusive of the diverse group of pagans who would be there, and Palatable for the non pagans who stumble upon it or decide to check it out, without watering down the purpose. Simple, LOL.”

This person was joking, because they knew this would be no simple task. However I didn’t agree, and I stated it time and again that I didn’t see why we just couldn’t allow groups to perform their own diverse format? What was the big deal? Thus far the coordinator and I had no issues. Then this came up from another person:

“The main reason to not go with a specific tradition or pantheon is more for the non pagans and the curious folks that would be in attendance. If it’s too witchy, it will spook them, and the purpose is to show them that we are pretty similar to them. Get too ritualistic or complicated, they get bored or lost.”


“To non pagans, we are mostly all the same.. What occurs at many PPD’s is various groups/covens who are willing to put themselves out there, will set up a booth for their group/coven. What they will do in this booth is have information about their patron/patroness/pantheon, their particular tradition, general explanations of their practices (essentially nothing more than they would allow a questioning possible dedicant know). They will usually have inner circle members there to answer questions, they will have other initiates perform simple demonstrations, or sell crafts, or will have them prepare hand out items.”

“We know good and well about our diverse paths, but what is normally the case with Pagan Pride events is to be cowan friendly. Sure, it is a way for us to have a celebration, but it is more for those who would normally have preconceived notions.”

After this, some of my own Temple members jumped into the conversation, noting that there was no such thing as a “generic Pagan” ritual. That it was misleading to the public, no matter how conservative the demographic might be. If you want to learn a specific path, go to the booth. The main event is supposed to be inclusive. Even though my Temple members and I were keeping it on a professional level, then (one of the admins on the Facebook page) did this:

“I’ll chime in with my ¢2… Since this is a Pagan Pride event using a specific Traditions ritual may not be the best way to go. As I understand the purpose of PPD it is to introduce the public to Paganism and Pagans. So we may not want to be in your face about this. So what we are looking for is an eclectic mix of Pagan items in ritual. I don’t know how many of you are familiar with the ADF ritual structure but it is very inclusive and can be worked with nearly any Pantheon. Here is a link to an ADF Rite of General Offering.


If you have time please look it over the Deities called upon are Celtic but substitutions can be made and the offerings amended as needed.”

THIS is what I was talking about! So: generic, but use a specific organization’s method of ritual, which clashes with Wicca and Wicca-derived paths? You can’t use this format and call it “generic Pagan.” Call it what it is: an ADF ritual that has been modified for the public. I also disagreed about not being “in your face.” I mean, for the sake of the Olympians it’s called PAGAN PRIDE!! I simply cannot stress this enough. Then the admin went on to make his final say:

“No IMO it should not be in your face. Pride to me means “I’m better than you, or hubris. Which again IMO is not an attractive quality. So why am I involved in a PPD event because the message of “We are here in your neighborhood and pose not threat to you.” is far more important than someone getting their ego stroked by showing off their particular ritual. “

“I put the ADF ritual us as something that can be used as a framework to build from, not something to followed to the letter.”

So, now it’s implied that I’m here to get my ego stroke on! Not only that, but this individual has commented on my blog posts stating:

“The perception that I, and would guess others had after reading your replies on the PPD group, and in this blog was that you only see one way to do ritual, and that’s your way. Which is fine for you and whoever practices with you. The PPD event is not the Luis show, or the Hellenic show when working with a group that is diverse no one specific tradition is proper IMO. Doing something generic we look for elements of ritual that are common to as many traditions as possible and include those elements. It is not an abstruse concept, but one that seems to have eluded you. I proposed the ADF ritual as a framework from which to build, which you poo pooed. Since you no longer have an interest in presenting the ritual that is moot though.”

So, what I can infer from this is that if anyone wants to do ritual their way, it’s wrong. Apparently it’s not the “Luis show” or the “Hellenic show.” It’s amazing how much of my arguments are being ignored. None of my issues of diversity are being addressed. Everyone just seems to want to focus on one thing: I’m not playing well, ergo I must be a troll and a dissenter. Or else, I must have (in the words of Mr. Don Frew) misunderstood or am lying (since the link issues  were faulty, my whole argument and experience must also be faulty).

Let’s address the real issue: The Pagan Pride Project is about acknowledging that we are a diverse lot, especially if we choose to go under the “Pagan” umbrella. To that end, the Pagan Pride Project’s Education mission is about giving the public accurate information as to who we are. Wicca has arguably been around the longest out of other public Pagan paths, and so yes, the public will undoubtedly know about Wicca more so than other paths. But here’s a rub for you:

Even many Traditionalist Wiccans have argued at length about how their practices have been co-opted erroneously by Neo-Wiccans (pejoratively known as “fluffy bunnies”). Many have argued that what Neo-Wiccans (that is, people who claim to follow “Wicca” without being initiated into a particular Wiccan Mystery Tradition) can be a “bad example” of what constitutes “Wicca” in its  truest sense. There may be elements between them that are similar, enough possibly so that they look the same to an outsider, but they are not the same. However, Wicca being around as long as it has means that most of the Traditions in existence today follow a Wicca-inspired format: cast circle, four directions, God and Goddess called in, cakes and ale, etc.

But what happens when a newly inspired Tradition is developing, one whose followers are brand new and without the history of Wicca? What then? How do we “conform” to something so “generic.” In this case, “generic Pagan” I think stands for “Neo-Wicca.” Because, honestly, as much as my commentator is attacking me and making himself believe it’s all about me and my show (the Gods be damned :p!!!!), it’s really about diversity. I am preaching difference.

We are different tribes with different cultures.
We have different Gods and different cultus.
We have different methods and different philosophies.

But that’s what the Pagan Pride Day project is about, right? We have an obligation to educate the public about this. You ask for my help, and then start insulting me. Or, as Mr. Frew would say:

“I think it’s fair to consider the information on this site to be unverified when so much of the information being presented is not, in fact, verifiable.”

Mr. Don: Fuck you. Fuck you, sir. Fuck you because you tout your resume and credentials while forgetting or purposefully neglecting the fact that there are a bunch of faiths and cults that are being born every day. There are Gods, Heroes and Demi-Gods who coming out of the woodwork and calling people to Their service. There are a growing number of folks who perform rituals and service to their local communities as seers, witches, shamans, iatromantoi, strixoi or temple devotees. Call it whatever the fuck you will, but you remind me of the people who would get complaints about bullies in school. The administrators were SUPPOSED to be there to help us folks who were being marginalized because we are different. What was the answer our wise Guidance Councilors told us? “Don’t take it personally. I don’t think he really means it.” Basically, the privileged are excused for their douchenozzly behavior, because someone like me doesn’t want to play by the “generic” rules. Polytheists are being marginalized, and until you pull your credentialed head out of your hairy ass, you need to start realizing one thing:

Interfaith work at home is needed as much as interfaith work abroad. And if PPD people keep marginalizing us, and then Polytheists break away, don’t cry. Because in the end you will have no one to blame but yourself for making sweeping generalized faux pax statements and attacking someone who you don’t know from Methuselah. If your own Gardnerian history should teach you anything, it’s this: remember when the tradition was small and new. Doreen was trying to bring the different covens together so everyone could network and share information to encourage one another to stand proud as Witches. Remember when the witch wars began, the personality cults, and everyone had to fight against prejudice (most of which was unrecorded). Remember what your predecessors did, because your treatment of the Polytheist Community is directly against the intra-faith dialogue that Witches did once upon a time: in New York, San Francisco, Chicago and other places. There are other Gerald Gardners and Doreen Valientes today who are working at building legacies for the future, and all you can do is sit there and ask the impossible:

“I would really like to be given a concrete, verifiable example of someone “being told to water down their religion.” In over 28 years of interfaith work I have NEVER heard of such a thing! I would also like an example of someone being told to “stop being confusing.” If any interfaith representative has ever said these things, they were WRONG! The whole point of interfaith work is to welcome and accept people as they are, with all their differences of faith and practice.”

It’s wonderful to know that in the end you backpedaled a “Well IF they did, they were WRONG!” Listen Sherlock: YOU are WRONG.

Eirene kai Hugieia!
(Peace and Health!)



Interfaith and Polytheism


Don Frew’s article on Saving Lives, “Wiccan Privilege” and Interfaith was put up by the Covenant of the Goddess website on Facebook (I read it around 1am). Sannion’s response is here.

Also, of note and interest, the Thracian has written a brilliant piece on the disturbing trend of humanist relativism into the praxis of Pagans and Polytheists.

Here are my thoughts on Don’s position:

My Temple is thinking about becoming involved with the Covenant of the Goddess. Why? We want to represent Hellenic  Polytheism and open up dialogue between ourselves and our fellow Wiccans and Neo-Wiccans. I am a Trad Wiccan myself, and I love networking. I think I have had a wonderful time with some folks, and a problematic time with others. When I was reading Sannion’s response to Don, all I could think of was “Yup!”

Traditional Wiccans have done a lot for the Greater Pagan Community. In fact, it’s safe to say that without them leading the charge, we wouldn’t be where we are at today. They had to come out of the broom closet first; they had to deal with charges of satanic ritual abuse; they had to band together and overcome a lot of odds when they were threatened. Oh, the history of modern Paganism and Wicca is fraught with personality cults, “bitch wars,” and ego clashes that caused many groups to split and implode. Rinse, repeat. So believe me, I am NOT ignorant of what my predecessors and spiritual Wiccan family have accomplished in the name of furthering our rights.

At the same time, from my personal experiences there is a disturbing reaction to Polytheists in general. In Trad Wicca, there isn’t any of that fuss, because the focus is on orthopraxy, or “right ritual.” In other words, it’s learning the fundamentals of the practices, training the group mind, growing the egregore, and doing the intra-coven Work which is of paramount necessity. How a Wiccan defines their religious experiences is up to them. You can have a whole coven filled with pantheists, atheists, and polytheists all focusing their magico-religious Occulture on the nature of the Rite, because that is how Wicca is built. To add, modern Paganism is also highly anti-dogmatic, and has inherited many of the “if it feels right, just do it” attitudes and behaviors from the modern New Age.

Here’s the rub: more and more there is a growing number of Polytheists (such as myself) that are not only inheriting something, but we are adding to. And we are adding the personal gnosis and academic foundations inherited in the types of rituals that our Ancestors once did: treating ritual as if it was our lifeline to our power and worth as spirit walkers. So for myself, I can’t simply walk into a circle and say, “Hey! That looks great! Now when do we eat?” Are you shitting me? That’s the kind of fucked up logic which causes spirits and Gods to get angry! And THIS is the dogmatic attitude which is being rebuffed against Polytheists, a dogma which is at the very core of WHY we are Polytheists in the first place.

In general, I think many have become divorced from the Sacred, because orthopraxy isn’t just about doing rituals the “traditional way” (despite some claims from Neo-Wiccans against the “elitist” Traditionalists). Orthopraxy is about Right Responsibility, Right Action, Right Choice, and Right Execution. It’s about Piety, bitches. So let’s get back to Don’s complaint that no one shows up:

I want my Temple to participate in a local Pagan Pride Day that’s approaching. But, we are being told that a “generic Pagan” ritual is the way to go. Why? Because non-Pagans think we’re all the same. A polytheist ritual would be “too confusing.” And someone suggested that we should be inclusive, so they suggested the ritual format of another organization called ADF. So: be inclusive, be generic, but a suggestion was made to use the ritual format by an existing organization. How does that make sense?


Pagan Pride: proud to be Pagan! Maybe? It’s as if nearly everyone I’ve met is happy to shop at an occult store, wear a pentagram, and be anti-authoritarian. Here’s the other rub: these people are good people, but I just cannot simply understand WHY in the axis mundi does anyone want to conform for the sake of the public? COG’s website has this on the Pagan Pride Project:

“Through education, activism, charity and community, the project promotes tolerance and understanding between people with different belief systems. If you are a Pagan, the project can help you find pride and confidence in your path. If you are not a Pagan, the project can help you understand your Pagan friends, coworkers, and family members.”

Here is the defining Mission Statement:

  • Air: Education
    We’re never going to be able to practice our spiritual paths openly if we don’t give the public accurate information about what we do and do not do. (emphasis mine)
  • Fire: Activism
    People aren’t necessarily going to go out of their way to find out what Pagans really do. We have to have the courage to act on our convictions and do what we need to do. (emphasis mine)
  • Water: Charity
    We know that what we do returns to us. We need to demonstrate this by offering compassion to our communities where it is needed. When we share our own abundance, we show that we trust the Gods to share abundance with us in return.
  • Earth: Community
    We’re never going to be able to practice openly if we don’t know anyone else in our local Pagan communities. We need to weave networking webs in our cities, in our towns, in our rural areas. We need these webs to support one another. That support will also show those who would restrict our practice that we are not just a few isolated wackos, but are a growing congregation of people who adhere to a faith that, while different, is as valid as their own.

Beneath that is COG’s PPD Project definition of Paganism:

A Pagan or NeoPagan is someone who self-identifies as a Pagan, and whose spiritual or religious practice or belief fits into one or more of the following categories:

  • Honoring, revering, or worshipping a Deity or Deities found in pre-Christian, classical, aboriginal, or tribal mythology; and/or
  • Practicing religion or spirituality based upon shamanism, shamanic, or magickal practices; and/or
  • Creating new religion based on past Pagan religions and/or futuristic views of society, community, and/or ecology;
  • Focusing religious or spiritual attention primarily on the Divine Feminine; and/or
  • Practicing religion that focuses on earth based spirituality.

It also has this to say on its values of respect:

We respect individual spiritual beliefs and backgrounds, and recognize the importance of spirituality in everyday life. Membership is open to anyone who defines him or herself as a Pagan or allied spiritual path (see our own (very broad) definition of Paganism) who agrees to our event policies and Code of Expected Ethical Conduct (emphasis mine). No commonality of belief, practice, or rites is implied by membership in this organization. Membership is solely to provide the resource advantages of a larger group, while remaining autonomous in our personal practices. No commonality of belief, practice, or rites is implied by membership in this organization. Membership is solely to provide the resource advantages of a larger group, while remaining autonomous in our personal practices.

In other words, we Polytheists fall under this branch. We deserve respect for our beliefs and we deserve to be heard. We deserve to say “No, we are not like you. We are different, and if you invite us to help then do not complain or try ad hominem attacks because we are standing firm on the convictions of what it means to dance with our Gods and our Ancestors.” We deserve to be different and deserve to show the public that we are (here’s my motto: wait for it!):

Unified in Diversity!

Eirene kai Hugieia!
(Peace and Health!)~Oracle~

Polytheism in a Pagan World

I was eclectic Pagan at one time. Ritual for me was a pain in the gluteus maximus, and I didn’t consider it my responsibility to understand the mechanics because I gave two shits about Circle Casting. Generic Pagan formulas were the way to go, and we tried to keep everyone happy and comfortable.

Except, I think we managed to piss off some Gods and spirits along the way with our ignorance.

In Polytheism, ritual isn’t about the people. It’s not about chanting and raising a cone of energy over a cauldron while you ask your Deities to give you your every wish. Fuck no. Ritual is about responsibility and duty. It’s about becoming part of a cycle of exchange between your Gods, your spirits, and your mortal community. It’s about keeping your obligations fulfilled, and understanding what each God and Goddess wants that is unique to Their tastes and likes. More than that, it’s about hearing Their Voices, and going through the bloody mess that is redoing an entire ritual if They weren’t happy to begin with. If it means chanting for hours or days, depriving yourself of food and enduring extreme blood, sweat and tears to call upon the Gods, then so fucking be it!

My Temple, the Temple of Hekate: Ordo Sacra Strix, is a Temple that blends aspects of the Western Mysteries and Classical Hellenic Polytheism. As a Polytheist Temple in a Pagan-majority area, we are struggling to find cohesion with our Pagan community when it comes to the finer aspects of ritual. There’s a planned Pagan Pride Day approaching in our area, and it seems that most of the folks are comfortable with catering to the assumed stereotypes of the masses as to what constitutes a “Pagan Ritual.” But I have disagreed vehemently. I feel that Pagan Pride is about our Community, and fuck everyone else. I mean, as a good friend of mine brought up, you don’t see Gay Pride events watered down to appease the right-wing hetero masses. Hell nah! You get asses in your face, skimpy underwear, colorful banners, drags, and the entire Dionysian Mardi Gras thrown in yo’ face! That’s right mother fuckers: you get PRIDE!!!!

And that’s exactly my problem. Originally, I wanted to volunteer my Temple to do the main ritual event in our style. My idea was to allow the people hosting the Opening Rite do it their Welsh Wiccan style, and then the main event could be done Strix Hellenic Polytheist style. Why? Because we are NOT the same! My motto is:

Unification in Diversity!

But instead, we are being told it would be “too confusing” for non-Pagans. A “general Pagan format” should be better. Why? WHY THE FUCK WHY?!?! In Polytheism, ritual is NOT ABOUT YOU! It’s about the Gods I love and serve, and I refuse to enter into a space where my Gods and the Spirits of the land are disrespected in the name of conformity. This is the problem, and why Polytheists in the Recon/Revivalist Camps are struggling to find anything similar with their Pagan kin. I understand, and I am just as frustrated as any of them. I want to be proud to be Pagan. I want to be proud to stand with them and educate everyone – Pagans and non-Pagans alike – as to what it means to be one of us. Paganism, like Hinduism, is filled with different solitary devotees, sects, Temples, organizations and cults. And while a generic format may have worked back in the 70s, 80s and 90s, this is the 21st century. We are entering a new world where diversity is who we are. We are different, but we CAN stand TOGETHER to show the world PRIDE!

Yes, we can!

Eirene kai Hugieia!
(Peace and Health!)